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How to say BTV in English ?

BTV = Béance Tubaire volontaire

it is the second equalization technique after Valsalva and before Frenzel...

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Re: How to say BTV in English ?

we just call it BTV....

or hands free equalisation.

there's no real translation that I know of

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Re: How to say BTV in English ?

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we just call it BTV....

or hands free equalisation.

there's no real translation that I know of

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thanks... as far as I understood, Frenzel is also a hands free equalization, isn't it ?
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Re: How to say BTV in English ?

Nope, Frenzel means that you force air with your tongue instead of your diaphragm (valsalva), your nose still has to be closed unless you can open your e-tubes at will (BTV).
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Nope, Frenzel means that you force air with your tongue instead of your diaphragm (valsalva), your nose still has to be closed unless you can open your e-tubes at will (BTV).
thanks for the precision...

anyway, once you own a paradisia nose-clip (as I will very soon) all equalization techniques become hands free...

I decided to liberate my hands...
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Re: How to say BTV in English ?

BTV= Beance Tubaire Volontaire

In English: Voluntary Tubal Opening
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BTV= Beance Tubaire Volontaire

In English: Voluntary Tubal Opening
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Re: How to say BTV in English ?

Hi Panos
Hi Everybody

WHEN can we expect goggles and nose clips to be legal in competitions? how far is the process in AIDA?

Thank You Pat
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Re: How to say BTV in English ?

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BTV= Beance Tubaire Volontaire

In English: Voluntary Tubal Opening
BTV= Béance Tubulaire Volontaire

That was close

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BTV= Béance Tubulaire Volontaire

That was close
Béance tubaire volontaire : il s'agit ici, par la simple volonté, d'exercer un effort sur les muscles qui permettent d'ouvrir les trompes. Naturellement les trompes s'ouvrent toutes les 2 à 3 minutes. On s'en rend compte notamment en montagne, c'est aussi ce qui se passe lorsque l'on baille.

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Béance Tubaire Volontaire (B.T.V.)

Décrite par G. Delonca, la B.T.V. consiste à plonger " trompes ouvertes ", grâce au contrôle volontaire des muscles qui participent à leur ouverture, comme lors du bâillement par exemple.
Cela élimine tout risque barotraumatique.
Pour aider à la réalisation de la B.T.V., Fructus et Sciarli conseillent :

D'effectuer préalablement une manœuvre de type Valsalva ou Frenzel.
De prendre conscience de la position des muscles du voile du palais et du pharynx au moment de la sensation de plénitude de l'oreille.
De conserver ainsi cette posture d'ouverture tubaire en relâchant progressivement toute surpression.
De se concentrer pour retrouver cette posture, sans l'aide d'aucune surpression. Il s'agit de parvenir, spontanément, à replacer les muscles dans la position qui assure l'ouverture des trompes.

http://www.plongee-plaisir.com/oreilles/oreilles.htm

BTV : béance tubaire volontaire : il s'agit ici par la simple volonté d'exercer un effort sur les muscles qui permettent d'ouvrir les trompes. Naturellement les trompes s'ouvrent par cette méthode toutes les 2/3 minutes, on s'en rend compte notamment en montagne, c'est aussi ce qui se passe lorsque l'on baille... Apprentissage : différents exercices, et surtout un entraînement régulier, sont nécessaires à l'apprentissage de la méthode... Elle n'est malheureusement maîtrisée que par peu de personnes, lesquelles doivent de surcroît posséder des conduits auditifs relativement rectilignes... Libère les deux mains (amélioration du canard et de la coulée), méthode discrète (ouverture des trompes d'eustaches par simple volonté sans bruit), évite le risque de voile noir dû à la différence de pression au niveau des oreilles lorsque la tête est penchée, supprime les risques d'infections, supprime les barotraumatismes de l'oreille, supprime les phénomènes de surpression thoracique et rino-pharyngée, ne fonctionne pas chez tout le monde, méthode impossible en cas de rhume ou légers problèmes de sinus, de moins en moins efficace avec la profondeur car le tissu musculaire permettant l'ouverture des trompes est trop faible par rapport aux forces exercées par la pression hydrostatique

http://csm.appa.free.fr/dossiers/profondeur.php

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Re: How to say BTV in English ?

Looks like it depends where you look

http://csm.appa.free.fr/dossiers/apnee_compensation.php

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/plongee.passion/barotauma.htm

http://nicoblon.free.fr/courbaro.htm

I had never heard "Béance Tubaire Volontaire" before
But both seems to be used
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Re: How to say BTV in English ?

"Tubaire" just does not sound good here to me... which is very subjective .. ok
But a "tubule" is a very small "tube", so it is more likely to be tubulaire I think....
But that's not really important
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Looks like it depends where you look

http://csm.appa.free.fr/dossiers/apnee_compensation.php

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/plongee.passion/barotauma.htm

http://nicoblon.free.fr/courbaro.htm

I had never heard "Béance Tubaire Volontaire" before
But both seem to be used
Let us have a look at the Petit Robert ;

tubaire : (1836, Med) relatif aux trompes de Fallope (grossesse tubaire) ou aux trompes d'Eustache ( voir salpingo-)

tubulaire : (1766) qui a la forme d'un tube (chaudière tubulaire) ; qui est formé de tubes (meubles tubulaires)

Sachant que la béance n'est ni de forme cylindrique, ni constituée de tubes, mais concerne les trompes d'Eustache... elle est bien TUBAIRE et non TUBULAIRE...

La recherche de "béance tubaire" donne des textes manifestement sérieux rédigés par des ORL, tandis que "béance tubulaire" est utilisé dans des sources moins fiables...

Conclusion : notre ami grec avait raison !
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Re: How to say BTV in English ?

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Hi Panos
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WHEN can we expect goggles and nose clips to be legal in competitions? how far is the process in AIDA?

Thank You Pat
It is VERY close. The new rules have been voted and they will be posted very soon.
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Conclusion : notre ami grec avait raison !
OK, I give up ... You are right
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