Dreaming of sailing, freediving and exploring the world’s best waters/countries?

[olliric]

I do, a lot. So I decided to do something about it. To do that, all is needed is some money, some time and a suitable boat. I have got the first two but I haven’t got the last one yet.
Since the right boat is a fully geared 45 footer blue water sailing yacht, I rather not be alone to handle the whole project. I am looking for partners (up to 4) to share the cost, the responsibility and the joy of a very special lifestyle that such a yacht can deliver.
The invitation is opened to anybody that may have such dream; experienced skippers to beginners. The sailing part can be learned along the way, I’ll be ready to help in that regard. At the beginning passion and vision are more important.
I have drawn a yacht shared ownership proposal draft that details the scope of the project.
The 6 pages document contains the basic principles of this project and it’s intended to be the base for a further and very detailed shared ownership agreement.
I’ll be happy to provide a copy to any interested party.
That elusive dream may be a lot closer that you may think.....
Cheers,
Olliric
ciri@lightspeed.ca

[fcallagy]

Hi Ollric sounds like a great dream and I,m sure one many here share but I,d really really need to know the people I was about to set off with on a voyage really really well. Its called cabin fever for a reason. Just my 2 cents

[Adrian]

Hi Olliric,
I've deleted your identical posts as cross posting isn't allowed, but good luck on the project. It's a dream many people have!

[olliric]

Originally Posted by fcallagy

Hi Ollric sounds like a great dream and I,m sure one many here share but I,d really really need to know the people I was about to set off with on a voyage really really well. Its called cabin fever for a reason. Just my 2 cents

Yes, you have got to get along with the others, it's not automatic but it is possible. I sailed half way around the world with people I had never met before and I had the best time of my life.
There are also people that have shared a yacht with great results and have had all the benefits of owning a yacht but only have had one fraction of the cost and headaches. Again it has to be done with compatible and like minded people. Before I would sign on any agreement, the agreement would have to cover the smallest details and address everyone expectations.
To assess the compatibility issue, especially on the water, I would do a bareboat charter together at least once. Even only a couple of weeks on a boat will reveal a lot about the people involved.
I have done many bareboat charters and I have never had serious issues with "cabin fever". It's more about the personal expectations that everyone has.
The main problem I see is in finding partners lays in the fact that statistically there are hardly any people that can actually do what they want.
Almost everyone here in the west is sucked in a rat race of some kind; careers, mortgages, wives, children, family, low paying jobs and so on.
Nobody is really free to do what they dream about or have the balls to do it.
To make this project worth while, the candidates would have to have at least a total of 2 months per year free and quite a bit of extra money.
In most cases people that have one, have not the other. That's the catch 22.
I work 4 weeks on, 4 weeks off earning a decent income, I am also free from the above mentioned ties.
Not many other people do, I am afraid. That's the challenge.
Cheers
Giovanni

[olliric]

Originally Posted by Adrian

Hi Olliric,
I've deleted your identical posts as cross posting isn't allowed, but good luck on the project. It's a dream many people have!

Sorry, I did not know. I am not longer a scubadiver but I love freediving and spearfishing, I hope that some spearfishers read this part of the forums too.
Cheers

[drea]

it is very much a catch 22 issue. i have all the passion and dedication and sailing around the world is definetely something i've always wanted to do. doing it whilst freediving the best waters of the world seems even more funky.i have time and no ties such as the ones you mentioned. but im short on money. so i guess you have to find some people not caught in catch 22.
btw, where do you live? if you wanna do a trial sail, then its probably a good idea to at least be on the same continent..
and if you do 4 weeks on, 4 weeks off, how long can you be away?
cheers
drea

[olliric]

Originally Posted by drea

it is very much a catch 22 issue. i have all the passion and dedication and sailing around the world is definetely something i've always wanted to do. doing it whilst freediving the best waters of the world seems even more funky.i have time and no ties such as the ones you mentioned. but im short on money. so i guess you have to find some people not caught in catch 22.
btw, where do you live? if you wanna do a trial sail, then its probably a good idea to at least be on the same continent..
and if you do 4 weeks on, 4 weeks off, how long can you be away?
cheers
drea

Finding people with all the requisites it's difficult indeed, it's a tiny minority of population. However once found some, I think it's more likely that this kind of people would be drawn to such project. People who do not end up tied up head to toe in their lives are free spirits that have worked to get to that level of freedom. The lifestyle that a well found sailing yacht can offer it's very appealing to these kind of people and it's the best environment to feel truly free.
I live in Canada and Italy and I work in Brazil. The sailing trial would be in the French West Indies, there they have the perfect boat for the project that can be rented. Once I get some candidates we can bareboat charter to test the boat and people. If all goes well we can then look for the same boat to buy.
The boat in this case would the Cigale 14. The best compromise in comfort, strenth and performance.
Cheers

[olliric]

Originally Posted by drea

it is very much a catch 22 issue. i have all the passion and dedication and sailing around the world is definetely something i've always wanted to do. doing it whilst freediving the best waters of the world seems even more funky.i have time and no ties such as the ones you mentioned. but im short on money. so i guess you have to find some people not caught in catch 22.
btw, where do you live? if you wanna do a trial sail, then its probably a good idea to at least be on the same continent..
and if you do 4 weeks on, 4 weeks off, how long can you be away?
cheers
drea

I can be on the boat about 4 weeks at the time.
Cheers

[blumon]

Nice dream BUT... when it comes to boats and partners...in my opinion it never works. You'd be better off bareboating with like-minded people and planning on doing it in the different places in the world that y'all want to explore and experience. You will save a lot of money and avoid the aggravation of ownership (read expense and responsibility issues etc).
Seriously...stick to the bareboat chartering - I don't want to rain on your parade but I've seen this before and it's a recipe for a ton of bs.
Remember that the cost of ownership of any vessel is 10 to 15% of the value of the vessel per year...the purchase price is just the beginning of the cost of ownership.

B.O.A.T. = Break Out Another Thousand!
B.O.A.T. = Broke Or About To!

As a professional boat Captain I prefer to fly to those exotic locations and then stimulate the local economy by hiring a local guide with local knowledge and returning to the beach every nite ... waaaaay more fun and much more rewarding.
B

[olliric]

Originally Posted by blumon

Nice dream BUT... when it comes to boats and partners...in my opinion it never works. You'd be better off bareboating with like-minded people and planning on doing it in the different places in the world that y'all want to explore and experience. You will save a lot of money and avoid the aggravation of ownership (read expense and responsibility issues etc).
Seriously...stick to the bareboat chartering - I don't want to rain on your parade but I've seen this before and it's a recipe for a ton of bs.
Remember that the cost of ownership of any vessel is 10 to 15% of the value of the vessel per year...the purchase price is just the beginning of the cost of ownership.

B.O.A.T. = Break Out Another Thousand!
B.O.A.T. = Broke Or About To!

As a professional boat Captain I prefer to fly to those exotic locations and then stimulate the local economy by hiring a local guide with local knowledge and returning to the beach every nite ... waaaaay more fun and much more rewarding.
B

Yes, there is definitely a good potential for trouble. But it is possible to make it work. I know people that have done it successufully. There are more people that you may think that actually succeed in sharing a boat.
Since I am well aware of the headaches and cost of owning a boat, I want to find partners to share them with. I cannot use it the whole time so it makes a lot of sense to pay for only a part of it.
As for the headaches, I am kind of use to it. I am a Marine Chief Engineer unlimited and have been responsible for the maintenance and running of vessels worth up to 1/2 billion $. A 14 m boat does not make me worry.
As for chartering, I have done quite a few of them in various areas.
Given that I can and want to sail up to 4 months a year, it makes no economic sense to charter that long. Besides bareboat charter boats are only available in very turisty areas. The boat themselves are not that great and it's always a pain to find a few people that can do it at the same time and make it affortable. The kind of boat I like to sail cost at least 5-6G per week.
10 to 15% of the cost per year is a figure that some boat owners do spend as running costs. With a new or almost new boat and onboard repairs, the cost can be halved.
I will stick to bareboat charter or buy a boat myself only if I fail to find suitable people to share.
yours2share.com has quite a bit on the issue and many people that are sharing boats and many other assets now. There also many companies that profit by managing shared ownership yachts. All the above should not exist if it were as you say. Luckly they do exist.
Cheers

[blumon]

OKgreat...sounds like you are a lot more qualified and experienced than you alluded to. I played 'devil's advocate' in my post 'cos I hate to see people get in over their heads only to be crushed by the unknown elements of the whole boat ownership issue.
So...I'm interested...where will you base the vessel and what places or route do you intend to take? I have travelled quite a bit ... It sounds like you want to start in the SE Caribbean. My interest is now focused on the South Pacific...is that an area that's included in the itinery? Regards B

[drea]

this post would probably get more readers if you posted in the "finding a buddy" (north america) threads.. cos i assume you will have the boat on that side of the world. this is important to know for readers since i, for instance, are on the wrong side of the world.

[olliric]

Originally Posted by blumon

OKgreat...sounds like you are a lot more qualified and experienced than you alluded to. I played 'devil's advocate' in my post 'cos I hate to see people get in over their heads only to be crushed by the unknown elements of the whole boat ownership issue.
So...I'm interested...where will you base the vessel and what places or route do you intend to take? I have travelled quite a bit ... It sounds like you want to start in the SE Caribbean. My interest is now focused on the South Pacific...is that an area that's included in the itinery? Regards B

I am well aware of the dangers and I know that it's far from easy to make such project work. Yet, I have sufficent drive and passion to go over any of the hurdles that I am likely to find along the way. I see your points though, coming up on a forum like this sounds naive. I am not.
The south pacific is my "promised land" and I have sailed and loved only a small part of it. However, at the moment it would be premature for me to venture through it.
My constraints are mainly due to my work. Having only 28 days at the time to sail, I would probably have logistic difficulties to sail the pacific in a worth while manner.
Since I will keep on working in Brazil for the next 2 to 3 years the Caribbean + South/Central America are the most suited at the moment. The Med, and the red sea can follow afterwards. Later on I could get a job in south east asia and do a couple of years in that part of the world. With my line of work I can find employment in most area that they have offshore drilling activities.
The area I have mentioned are still very attractive to me. I rather be in the least perfect ocean and sail steady than sail now and then on a charter boat.
In addition the areas I have mentioned are the ones that make running the boat the easiest. The Indo-pacific lacks yachting infrastructure.
It could be the "shake down" area for something more important later.
Last but not least it will greatly increase the chances of finding other partners. The logists and costs to fly to the pacific makes an already difficult project harder.
Send me a private message with an email address. I'll send you the proposal draft. You'll see what I have in mind.
I'll include info on the boat that I believe is the most suited for the job.
Cheers

[olliric]

Originally Posted by drea

this post would probably get more readers if you posted in the "finding a buddy" (north america) threads.. cos i assume you will have the boat on that side of the world. this is important to know for readers since i, for instance, are on the wrong side of the world.

Apparently you are not suppose to post on more than one forum . They deleted 2 posts I put in scuba and spearfishing.

The world is pretty well connected these days. I think that this project is suitable for any one with a bit of cash to give to airlines and that is from the Americas or Europe. From your country you would have spend for an extra flight. However later on the boat could end up on your "door step" I sailed the red sea before and I would like to do it again.

Sudan and Eritrea are still the best diving I have ever done.

Cheers