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Bill your pic is perfect to show how high is your californian kelp. definitely nothing to compare with our mediterranean weed (Poseidonia) whose bushes come up short. That's why our kelp technique (in italian: pesca nell'alga) is completely different.
It's a mix of agguato and brief aspettos around the bushes, that we end crawling into the kelp bush to try a longer aspetto, hoping for some corvina (brown meagre) to get annoyed by our presence and get out of the bush where's it was hidden.
There's just one trick that might be somehow comparable to your californian techniques, because it involves being neutrally ballasted: we dive head down feet up into the weed, and look through it with a torch, hanging upside down half meter above the bottom without touching it. But still I don't think this could be useful in SoCal, where you said WSB bottoms may be very deep.
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[quote=Bill McIntyre;692512]Perfect!

Now I'll casually mention that I was using the Macetto technique, and people will be too embarrassed to admit that they don't know what the hell I'm talking about.


Isn’t that something like the McIntyre aspetto
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I don’t know only been in the job for a week and already lost control.
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Bill your pic is perfect to show how high is your californian kelp.
Here is my favorite photo to show how our kelp can be thick on the surface. I usually show this one when someone says he can't understand why I say we can't drag a float through the kelp. The water is about 60 feet deep under that kelp.

I could do better, but I have to remember to just take a photo of the surface in a thick bed rather than taking what shows by accident in a fish photo.
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Not enough green men in here you say Spago ol buddy? Well here I am to keep you happy. Semi on topic:

I often feel I am truly a novice as I find Aspetos "boring". I would say I am too impatient, if I don;t see a fish soon, I use my hands to scoot along over/between rocks and kelp 'till I see something. A buddy of mine, in the exact same conditions, does a series of aspetos, and always comes back with more fish. But I STILL can't keep still........

On the other hand, there is nothing like crawling around a rock to see a fish sitting there and shooting quickly....
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On the other hand, there is nothing like crawling around a rock to see a fish sitting there and shooting quickly....
That's what we call Agguato......or, so you learn a new italian technical phrase, A Strusciapanza (literally: "belly rubbing").
The basic is that the fish mustn't see you or feel your presence before it's too late for them.
So:
-reduce to minimum the reconessance from the surface: you don't have to dive down when you see the fish. First go to the bottom, then go around looking for fish.
- sure, as you say, turn behind rocks and see it there's fish behind. Meanwhile, the rock between you and the fish will prevent the fish to feel your vibration and noise.
- belly rubbing: belly on the bottom, don't move your fins use your free hand, keep everything that could be noisy on your back and not on your belly, I'm talking of beltweights, knife, belt reel, everything on your back (some guys cover the belt buckle with fabric or rubber sheets to make it stealthier).
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...and there's much, much more to follow. Agguato is a BIG science
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- belly rubbing: belly on the bottom, don't move your fins use your free hand, keep everything that could be noisy on your back and not on your belly, I'm talking of beltweights, knife, belt reel, everything on your back (some guys cover the belt buckle with fabric or rubber sheets to make it stealthier).
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you mean like this? hehe. I used old wheel barrow inner tubes to cover the lead, fit perfect, and no "ding" on hitting rocks:
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you mean like this? hehe. I used old wheel barrow inner tubes to cover the lead, fit perfect, and no "ding" on hitting rocks:
Great! Low tech is the best tech sometimes.
At this point I guess you must have also some incredible device to protect you from jellyfish and seaurchins.... Show off, don't be shy...
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OUCH. my worst ever Jelly fish AND urchin pain was in Sardinia, north of Alghero to be exact. I still have the spikes embedded in my hand 8 months later. Here the 7mm suit takes up most of the pain, but I get regular spikings. Its worse in the north. I have a competition there in two weeks.... I'll be taking tweezers in my dive bag...
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I'd have a weird story about sea urchins medications, but it's probably unfit for a family friendly forum like this...
Long story short, doc gave me a very strong cortisonic cream for medication, wich accidentaly came in contact with my sexual organ. What followed was my life's longest straight 24 hours rocky E-R-E-C-T-I-O-N man can remember. Which was annoying cause it made me unfit for hunting "belly rubbing" on the bottom for the whole day if you see what I'm saying.
However, I still keep that cortisone in the bedroom cabinet ready, just in case any seaurchins ever happened to appear between the sheets...
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Wow! Do you have a brand name? Will I need a prescription?
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bloody hell Bill you don't want to be swimming around with one of those in the kelp! Imagine the drag
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Wow! Do you have a brand name? Will I need a prescription?
I'm afraid brand names are different across our distant countries, but just ask your pharmacist. You're notoriosuly a diver and a spearo, yes you are, so for him it won't be hard (did I say hard?) to believe that you hit a sea urchin and do really need a corticosteroid/antistaminic cream to rub on the wounds.
As for the....collateral effect, believe me, it's better to stay natural: 24 hours straight of that thing is too much of a pain!!!
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bloody hell Bill you don't want to be swimming around with one of those in the kelp! Imagine the drag
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